can a dog beat a mountain lion

2: Where in my post did I say I have proof of Dogs killing Leopards and Cougars? They have one of the strongest bite-forces among the big Cats, and are capable of dragging an 800lb bull 25 feet. Dude, nobody takes you serious, you're a complete clown. No. The other links you cite are from sources such as ''Canine Planet'' and the other source links to a dramatized reenactment, which of course, does not provide the context of the first link. As a flock guardian dog in Tibet and in the West, it is capable of regularly defeating predators of livestock such as wolves and leopards, and sometimes prevailing against the largest mammalian carnivores, including tigers and brown bears, although it uses all the usual livestock guardian tactics (e.g., barking, scent-marking perimeters) to warn wild beasts away and avoid direct confrontations. Furthermore, it's not specified what type of Wolf that was or whether it was male or female; the Wolf in that video was trying to kill several sheep which suggests it was probably starving (it was also on it's own). Apart from the Caucasian Shepard which is the biggest and strongest the dogo seems to be the dog that would stand a decent chance against a cat but again dogo is a holding dog and in a serious fight against a deadly cat your want a dog that been breed to access the situation and adjust accordingly I just wish I could see in person some of these well breed Shepard’s but the dogo to me seems more like the other domesticated dogs bigger and better for holding where the Shepard just seems more like it’s retained some part of that old wild DNA. A Tibetan Mastiff is in the 700lbf, Kangals have a bite force of roughly 800lbf, So how exactly is that not enough to pierce Caiman skin? I've already shown you a story of a Dog beating a Cougar. The point is that a Jaguar had a bite-force strong enough to kill a Caiman; which have very thick skin. So, what dog can beat a Pitbull? ... Eh, the right dog on the right day in the right circumstance could beat a puma. EDIT: Silly me, it was transferred to page 1. ... Brave dachshund saves dog best friend from mountain lion … some of the time, the only reported videos of big dogs killing a cougar is when 2 dogo argentinos beat a DECLAWED injured cougar. Jaguar's prey on turtles and we have clear evidence of Jaguar's being capable of piercing the shell. A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National Park Service news release said Monday. No. In Australia kangaroos can fall prey to 60 to 100 pound wild dogs and dingoes. It is possible for a massive/aggressive trained dog to beat a young, female, and starving wild cat but even then I wouldn't bet on it. @dernman: Dude, look at your profile picture :P, Which makes the joke that much better. the average more likely weight of a male kangaroo is 250 or 200. A Southern California woman tried to protect her dog from a mountain lion that wandered into her backyard on Thursday by punching the wild cat … Give me some evidence to show that a Dog's bite-force can come anywhere near that of a Jaguar. There's nothing to suggest it was even capable of killing the Cougar or even signifcantly harming it. You tried to argue that a Mastiff's bite was comparable to a Jaguar's. Good weapons make confidence. Yes. If a mountain lion confronts you and you brandish a weak branch and throw a pebble and yell, a weak mountain lion might back away. When a mountain lion kills livestock, it can be hunted down if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife issues a depredation permit. I’m often asked about dog breeds for mountain lion hunting. Dogs don't get that big. While the dog was crushing the Cougar's windpipe (Life threatening injury), and the dog held the cougar there for well over a minute. This is NOT a comic-battle where a KO is a realistic option of beating someone. I would wager that a Gray Wolf would decisively slaughter a Tibetan Mastiff too. Of the case studies I found, only one person managed to kill a mountain lion with a knife. theres a video of a cougar ripping a dogo argentinos face off, i'll send it if you want. I have no idea whether my response to post #512 is showing up because I cannot see it on this page, yet it is viewable on my profile forums page and was marked as best answer. There are dogs who could probably kill a mountain lion some of the time. 5: They are much, much stronger than any Dog; 7a swipe of a Jaguar's paw could crush the skull of a Tibetan Mastiff. The followup account details that the Dog was holding on for its life; so if you actually read the followup account, you will see what really happened was that the Dog was not capable of putting the Cougar down. Two bear-faced Caucasian Ovcharka (Mountain Dog)'s, would easily take a wolf down. What are the risks of taking pups away from the mother dog earlier than 2 months old. (which has much thicker skin). If … They have an extremely compact body and possess the largest skull to body mass ratio of any cat. Mastiff Dogs are not capable of beating Cougars, Jaguars or Lions; what info you've provided thus far is utterly unimpressive in comparison to Big Cats/predators. You're not even reading the own ''evidence'' that you're clinging on to. Cite me the facts. Now stop with your half arsed deflections. I would like to see some evidence of a Dog killing a healthy Grey Wolf, but I know I won't....because it doesn't exist. Is the Vine glitching up again? 1: Yes they are (the dog i posted beating a cougar isn't even a mastiff, it was a Dogo Argentino, a dog that is a helluva lot smaller than Tibetan Mastiff. You have no idea what constitutes 'beating' do you? Again, a carnivorous predator fighting another would most likely need a kill to constitute 'beating' another animal; merely holding onto one for a few seconds until help arrives is not considered a win. First thing you're going to do is go to a zoo and study lion behavior and after you can predict their behavior, buy a ticket to Africa. Very, very bad decision. It just held onto the Cougar to slow it down; and the owner was probably in a rush to get outside and kill it. They were pretty sure it was after a dog. A local wildlife expert recommends anyone who wants to hike in mountain lion territory to carry bear Mace. NO DOG can fight a lion and win, ONE ON ONE or head to head if a lion was INTENT TO KILL. The lion had been stalking them for the better part of the morning, on the way out to a hunt. Do you want to show you a video of 1 Dog killing 2 Wolves by itself? Though they sure are adorable. It had it pinned to the ground with its Jaws wrapped around the cougars neck. Stop telling me that there are ''stories'' of such extraordinary events occurring; it's incredibly vague and lazy. Check out this video of a coyote doing just that. I've already shown you a story of a Dog beating a Cougar and now I'm proving that a Tibetan Mastiff can beat a Jaguar. By weight and bodily strength alone she would rip a dog apart. I never did, but hey you are still arguing that a cougar can beat a dog when a dog called Morocho has already beaten a cougar (but if your ego is so big to dismiss that story and carry on with the same "HURR DURR THE OWNER KILLED THE COUGAR SO THE DOG DIDN'T WIN HURR DURR" Then please continue. Just watched this episode of Dogs 101 on animal planet, in the list of dogs featured the Dogo was one of them. A pitbull can take down a mountain lion. There isn't a dog on THIS planet that can take a full-grown, healthy male lion. I'm carnivorous/omnivorous do i have to kill every person I've ever been in a fight against to class it as a win? Answer by tomiva A Caucasian mountain dog bite is stronger than that of a lion and has the ability to learn the weakness of his opponent, the least it can do is to send the bear out, but if the owner or property is in danger then we are sure of a fight. It sprays up to 30 feet and scares the lions long enough for a person to get away. It's utterly ridiculous. May 6, 2009 / 1:35 PM / CBS/AP A mountain lion attacked and nearly killed a dog that defended its owners Tuesday on a trail in the Santa Ana Mountains. Best bet of winning/surviving these encounters: Irish Wolfhound. No dog is beating a large jaguar though, completely different weight class. A mountain lion is believed to have killed an 85-pound black Labrador retriever named Bubba, dragging it over a 3 1/2-foot wall in north Glendale. In 2017, three mountain lions were killed in Modoc County under these permits. You're linking to canine websites and MMA forums. Weight = Strength? Even large lone gray wolves don't stand a chance against a cougar (let alone a jaguar). 2 or 3 European male dobermann can beat a mountain lion Against 5 dobermann the mountain lion have no chance. A mountain lion caught on camera in Sun Valley and an attack on two dogs in Burbank have prompted authorities to alert surrounding Southern California communities to be on the lookout. Try again please. http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2011/08/14/interesting-creatures%E2%80%A6-the-jaguar/. So the answer is yes, a crocodile can beat a lion. If the Dog was capable of winning, why did it fail to kill the Cougar? No longer can we say that wolves dominate mountain lions in all encounters. They would easily have the strength to not only kill the Dog, but drag it up a tree. Just type on google man Kangals vs Pit bulls. But a wolf would beat a lion because as mentioned, Lions are lazy; they protect their land, but it's the females that do the hunting (and get minimal reward for doing). They just replayed the same clip of the dog mauling it at 2:53 and 4:36. That's a big difference from someone pinning someone down and having full power; which is not what the Dog did, it was not capable of actually putting the Cougar down, it needed the owner's knife because it's bite was not strong enough. A male Jaguar can kill crocodiles; and they are capable of piercing turtle shells. Next, find a bush, any bush will do. 1: Mastiff Dogs are not capable of beating Cougars, 2: Jaguars or Lions; what info you've provided thus far is utterly unimpressive in comparison to Big Cats/predators. 2: Tiger sharks have trouble piercing turtle shells so how the hell are Jaguars going to pierce it? Just got my frise. Kangal Or Boreboels are monster dogs, specifically boreboel because they are so bloody heavy and thick, Boreboel weight from 70 to 90 kilos, and are very aggressive and brave, and Kangals are freaks, seen videos of them dominating and killing pit bulls with ease. Assuming that we're are talking about a large, fully grown male Cougar or Jaguar vs their canine equivalent, then no single dog would win. I have had Plott and blue tick hounds. If the latters were unhealthy and about to die then I think even a puppy can crush them. It latched onto the Cougar in just enough time for the owner to arrive and kill the Cougar with a knife; so you have not ''proved'' anything, other than posting context-less pictures and not bothering to read your own articles. But the advantage goes to the bear because of … It needed the owner to arrive, because it's bite was not strong enough to seriously inflict any real damage on the Cougar. The first is that a dog has more awareness than people and will alert you if a mountain lion is near, and might even scare the mountain lion off. but it fight it throughout a zoo (the size of which is 14 hectares in size)(14 hectares = 0.5 square miles), 3: And i would happily take your money, due to the fact that Tibetan Mastiff's are bred to fight off wolves, leopards, bears, tigers. 1: A male Jaguar can kill crocodiles; 2: and they are capable of piercing turtle shells. Am I wrong to start refusing to see my parents!? Funny how that works. They are much, much stronger than any Dog; a swipe of a Jaguar's paw could crush the skull of a Tibetan Mastiff. He required surgery to treat his injuries, but is expected to survive. What circumstances led to F109 turning the tables, we do not know. No Dog would be capable of doing that;considering the Dog story you posted shows that a Dog's bite was not even capable of killing a Crocodile, what chance would it stand in killing a Crocodile? Top Answer. The Morocho story has been debunked; the Dog did not kill the Cougar and it did not come close to defeating it. Depends. Because this post isn't about killing, it's about beating Cougars and Jaguars. In it some children were picking figs accompanied by their pet dogo, when the saw a mountain lion in the tree. Male cougars are anywhere between 160-200 and can get as big as 220. I mostly run Walker hounds. Still have questions? 4: They would easily have the strength to not only kill the Dog, but drag it up a tree. And German Sheppard's would not stand a chance against...any Big Cat, hell, there is a video posted a few posts up of a Jaguar flat out stomping and killing a larger Dog. A strong one won’t. There ain't no way in hell a Jaguar is breaking a turtles shell. MORRISON, Colo. (CBS4) – A scary encounter took place for a man and his dog in Jefferson County when they came face to face with a mountain lion. So a Sumo wrestler is stronger than a weightlifter or a boxer? So as it stands, a Jaguar's bite is much more powerful than a Mastiff's. How? Again, you are making extraordinary claims and still providing no evidence. I'd like to see some peer reviewed journals and not misinformation. And you are not reading your own links either. (hardly a short period of time during a fight). Yesterday, Hoagie, a Lab mix, was walking with his guardians in the Santa Ana Mountains when they were attacked by a mountain lion. A fully grown healthy jaguar and puma would destroy any dog hands down. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You are seriously fan-wanking if you think they can fight off Tigers and Bears, yet again, you are making more ridiculous claims without any evidence. If you get one of the bigger gamer Caucasian Shepard’s I would back it as I’ve seen hundreds of fights usually pit bull mixes not great dogs and always a lot smaller against huge kangals or Shepard’s the bigger dogs win nearly every time the Shepard fights extremely smart doesn’t rush in stupid like the pit nearly always does if the pit is fighting another small pit it’s fine but these Shepard’s can workout a situation and adjust plus they are freaking massive you watch them fight they use advantages they have so well they swipe with there paws and use there paws to hold dogs down with there weight and many times they take a rest and turn there bodies other dogs are unable to get a hold of them when they do they are only biting loose skin of fur. They are of Lion Head Mastiffs, which make the Mastiffs appear to be much larger than they actually are. Lions, fully grown male lions can dispatch even the most powerful of dog breeds in seconds. They are ruthless, heard they even kill wolves. Probably not. My moms dog is so viscous and she refuses to get rid of him! Female mountain lions usually give birth every two years. Lions can weight 265 to 420 lbs the largest dogs barely get out of the 200lb range. Pound for pound, cougars are more deadly than African lions, according to wildlife biologists. This how a Tiger Head Mastiff looks like; it gives you a better view of the actual size. You asserted that a Mastiff was capable of performing similar feats; yet provided no evidence. Asked by Wiki User. The muscular cougar was much larger and unchained, as opposed to the dog … Deer can also become prey for mountain lions. What is the maximum weight difference for a female dog to breed with a larger male? Once I challenged this and cited the fact that a Jaguar can pierce turtle shells; you backed off, so again, you are being disingenuous. The first hyperlink you posted is a response to this, which states that the dog simply held onto the Cougar's neck until the owner arrived with a knife to kill the Cougar. Litters can range in size from one to six cubs. They have one of the strongest bite-forces among the big Cats, and are capable of dragging an 3: 800lb bull 25 feet. We all hope that in an emergency our dog would protect and defend us, although obviously nobody wants I already proved that a Dog could beat a Cougar and now I've just proved that Dogs can beat Leopards and now I'm working on proving Dogs can beat Jaguars.. EDIT: Morocho had the cougar pinned to the ground with its Jaws around the Cougars neck, But the Dog (Morocho) is not trained to kill, it is trained to hunt and hold the prey until its master finishes the job just like all hunting dogs that are used for large prey. 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